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Jo Harkin

Jo Harkin discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Jo Harkin studied literature at university. She daydreamed her way through various jobs in her twenties before becoming a full-time writer. Her debut novel Tell Me an Ending was a New York Times book of the year. Her new novel is The Pretender. She lives in Berkshire, England.

1. The ruin of Minster Lovell. This was the estate of the Viscount Lovell, one of the main characters in The Pretender. It’s got enough standing walls and a beautiful vaulted entryway to allow you to imagine life there, but also the setting is stunning. It’s in the Cotswolds countryside next to a river – which begins a picturesque walk – an old church, a tiny village, and a traditional dovecot. Legend has it that after Lovell disappeared following the battle of Stoke, he hid in a secret room of this house for years, and in the 1700s his skeleton was found in that chamber. Sadly this fun story isn’t likely to have any truth to it, as Lovell had been a political exile for years before the battle and his house had already been given to allies of Henry VII.

2. Alice Chaucer’s tomb, and the concept of the Memento Mori. An hour away from Minster Lovell, in Oxfordshire, are the former lands of the Earl of Lincoln, another main character in the novel. In the pretty village of Ewelme, St Mary’s church contains the tomb of Alice Chaucer – grand-daughter of the poet himself, and the grandmother of Lincoln. At first glance the tomb looks like a traditional effigy: a clothed woman, lying on her back, hands in prayer position, eyes closed. But below this, if you peer through the decorative stonework, you can see a very different alabaster effigy, this time depicting a dessicated, gaunt corpse with staring eyes and loose hair. This was meant to show the reality of death, and to function as a memento mori – a reminder of what’s coming to us all.

Medieval people loved reminders of death. They had wall art depicting people dancing with skeletons, jewellery showing living lovers on one face and Death on the other. And I actually like this as a concept. Imagining yourself as a corpse really does focus the mind. It snaps you out of autopilot and makes you more grateful for life and your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius recommended imagining, as you kiss your family good night, that they won’t wake up in the morning. Obviously, don’t go too far with it and sink into a depression. Just allow a touch of that awareness to sharpen your appreciation of life.

3. The Fabliaux. A modern English verse translation of medieval French Fabliaux. These were stories told across all levels of medieval society. And they were absolutely filthy. These make The Miller’s Tale look like Mary Poppins. When I read it I’d already started the novel, including what I thought were some fairly spicy conversations and sex scenes. I realised that a medieval reader would have found it laughably tame. I had to go back and turn up the obscenity dial.

4. The pre-potato pea pottage. A recipe for an overlooked and delicious medieval dish.

5. The British Library Treasures room has a permanent display of original books, maps and manuscripts, including medieval and Tudor era items such as pages from Leonardo da Vinci’s notebooks, Beowulf, and the first printing of the Canterbury Tales.

6. Misericords. Westminster Abbey is on every London tourist’s must see list, but often-overlooked feature are the misericords. In the magnificent Henry VII’s chapel, where his and Elizabeth of York’s tombs are located, the original 16th century hinged oak seats were not visible to the general public and they were accordingly carved with fantastical and humorous images of monsters, devils, pigs playing pipes, mermaids, monkeys, women hitting poorly behaved men, and a fair amount of nudity.

Madeleine Gray

Photo of Madeleine Gray by  Zan Wimberley

Madeleine Gray discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Madeleine Gray is a writer and critic from Sydney. She was a 2021 Finalist for the Walkley Pascall Prize for Arts Criticism, and has written for publications including the Sydney Review of BooksAustralian Book Review and the Times Literary Supplement. She has a MSt in English Literature from the University of Oxford and is a current doctoral candidate at the University of Manchester. Green Dot is her first book.

1. The fact that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are not recognised in the Australian constitution. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/14/australia-rejects-proposal-to-recognise-aboriginal-people-in-constitution

2. Who the 78ers are https://www.78ers.org.au/the-ongoing-role-of-the-78ers

3. The television show Deadloch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadloch

4. The song ‘Scar’ by Missy Higgins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKn7XAMNV-g

5. Trade union membership in Australia is far too low https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/trade-union-membership/latest-release

6. Kim Cattrall scatting with an upright bass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmt2KN5tsY

Alex Conner

Alex Conner discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Alex Conner is an ADHD coach and brain scientist who combines his personal experience with ADHD to be a trusted voice in psychoeducation. He is co-founder and co-host of The ADHD Adults podcast, one of the UK’s most popular ADHD resources. Alongside James Brown, Alex co-founded ADHDadultUK, a registered charity, and Focusmag.uk, an evidence-based online magazine for adults with ADHD. Alex has published research and articles on ADHD and, as an honorary Professor at Aston University, he also delivers ADHD coaching and training to thousands of people. His new book, co-written with James Brown, is ADHD Unpacked.

1. ADHD is not new or over-diagnosed.

2. ADHD is not a superpower for everyone who has it.

3. ADHD is more than inattention and hyperactivity: the emotional side of ADHD.

4. Stigma: adding insult to injury.

5. ADHD doesn’t come alone for most people: co-existing conditions/neurodivergences.

6. Nobody is neurodiverse, and nobody is neurotypical. Why the language of ADHD matters.

Rebecca Lemov

Rebecca Lemov discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Rebecca Lemov is a historian of science at Harvard University and has been a visiting scholar at the Max Planck Institute. Her research explores data, technology, and the history of human and behavioural sciences. She lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts with her family. Her new book is The Instability of Truth.

1. Brainwashing is not about other people https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-of-mind/202412/so-youve-been-brainwashed-without-realizing-it-what-now

2. The rise and fall and rise of Barbara Pym https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/when-barbara-pym-couldnt-get-published

3. Kate Smith https://musicologynow.org/kate-smith-and-our-minstrel-past/

4. Nashville film https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/25/nashville-review-robert-altman

5. The story of the three frogs by Czeslaw Milosz https://bookhaven.stanford.edu/2016/06/happy-birthday-czeslaw-milosz-he-was-no-hero-and-he-knew-it/

6. Brainwashing and trauma are connected, but that was never, or rarely ever, recognized by the experts. https://www.randifine.com/post/brainwashing-the-cunning-psychological-tactic-used-in-narcissistic-abuse-domestic-violence-and-cults

Kate Kemp

Kate Kemp discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Kate Kemp is an Australian writer living in the UK. She trained as an occupational therapist and then as a systemic psychotherapist, and has worked with families and individuals in mental health services in both Australia and the UK. In 2021, she won the Stylist Prize for Feminist Fiction and the Yeovil Literary Prize. The Grapevine is her first novel.

1. It’s okay to change your mind https://medium.com/darius-foroux/its-okay-to-change-your-mind-c4a0166b0a6d

2. We don’t need sameness for belonging, we need acceptance https://medium.com/@ilana_73874/belonging-without-blending-in-a-story-of-self-acceptance-b5c9e90f661b

3. Caring for someone who is dying is one of the most intimate things you can do https://www.cancervic.org.au/get-support/facing-end-of-life/caring-for-someone-nearing-the-end-of-life

4. Primadonna Festival https://primadonnafestival.com/

5. The paintings of Vilhelm Hammershøi https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2008/jun/25/art.denmark

6. Monteverdi’s Madrigals https://www.grahamsmusic.net/post/monteverdi-s-madrigals

Shari Dunn

Shari Dunn discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Shari Dunn is a polymath, an accomplished journalist, and a former attorney, news anchor, CEO, and university professor. She is an American Leadership Forum Fellow and has been awarded the prestigious Executive of the Year Award in 2018, the 2019 Women of Influence Award (Portland Business Journal), the Associated Press Award for Best Spot News, and the Wisconsin Broadcasting Association Award for Best Morning News Show. Her work has been cited in the Wall Street Journal and quoted in TIME and Fast Company among others. Shari is also a sought-after speaker. She holds a BA in philosophy from Marquette University and a JD from Northwestern Pritzker School of Law. Her new book is Qualified.

1. Reconstruction’s impact on our past and our present  https://time.com/5562869/reconstruction-history/

2. The myth of merit https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-myth-of-meritocracy-runs-deep-in-american-history/

3. That Imposter Syndrome is a misidentification https://hbr.org/2021/02/stop-telling-women-they-have-imposter-syndrome

4. What Competency Checking means https://fortune.com/2024/08/23/kamala-harris-competency-check-black-women-careers-elections-politics/

5. That the pipeline (of Black and other candidates of color in the workplace) is blocked, not broken or empty https://sharidunn.substack.com/p/election-2024-competency-checking

6. Why “color blindness” in the workplace, health and society doesn’t work  https://hbr.org/2017/09/colorblind-diversity-efforts-dont-work

Imran Mahmood

Photo by Bill Waters.

Imran Mahmood discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Imran Mahmood is a criminal defence barrister with over thirty years’ experience. His debut novel You Don’t Know Me was longlisted for both the Theakston Crime Novel of the Year and the CWA Gold Dagger in 2017, and selected by Simon Mayo as a BBC Radio 2 Book Club choice in the same year. It was then adapted into a four-part BBC crime drama, airing on a prime-time BBC One slot in 2021, before being released internationally on Netflix the following year and becoming one of the platform’s most streamed shows. His second novel, I Know What I Saw (2022) was named a Sunday Times Crime Novel of the Month and reached No. 2 on the Audible charts. Mahmood has written three screenplays and is a regular contributor to the Red Hot Chilli Writers podcast. His new novel is Finding Sophie.

  1. Sentencing for Crimes https://www.sentencingacademy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Mandatory-Minimum-Sentences-Explainer.pdf
  2. The Deep and Lasting Power of Books https://medium.com/@ariszavitsanos/the-enduring-power-of-literature-why-it-matters-now-more-than-ever-42900c18e7b
  3. The Quran https://www.nybooks.com/online/2017/02/09/crafting-the-koran/
  4. Manipulation by Politicians and Social Media Algorithms https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-01-13-social-media-manipulation-political-actors-industrial-scale-problem-oxford-report
  5. Mycorrhizal Networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhizal_network
  6. Turritopsis dohrnii https://thebiologist.rsb.org.uk/biologist-features/everlasting-life-the-immortal-jellyfish

Dani Heywood-Lonsdale

Dani Heywood-Lonsdale discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Dani Heywood-Lonsdale is a writer with family roots in Hawaii and the Philippines. She holds a Doctorate in Education and teaches English Literature in Oxfordshire, having previously taught in Florence and London over the past decade. Before pursuing a career in academia, she worked for a nonprofit in New York City and studied social policy and development at LSE. The Portrait Artist is her first novel, and she is an alumna of the Faber Academy. 

1. Adoration of the Magi by Leonardo da Vinci in the Uffizi museum, Florence

An unfinished masterpiece. Da Vinci was commissioned by the monks of San Donato in Scopeto in 1481, but he left for Milan the following year leaving it unfinished. Ghostly, mesmerising and not nearly as famous as some of the Uffizi’s other treasures (i.e. Botticelli’s ‘Birth of Venus’, Caravaggio’s ‘Medusa’ on a wooden shield, Tiziano’s ‘Venus of Urbino’, da Vinci’s ‘Annunciazione’)

2. Ristorante Academia. In Piazza San Marco: quiet, unassuming, unpretentious, DELICIOUS authentic food. The kindest, friendliest staff; every friend I have sent raves about it (and often returns). Wine-and-dine menu is something to behold; my favourite dish is the pappardelle with wild boar

3. The dark, sad and beautiful origins of the original Peter Pan text by JM Barrie James Barrie lived in his brother David’s shadow until he was 6. In 1867, David died in a skating accident, age 14; Barrie forever tried to cheer his devastated mother—who eventually found comfort in the idea that David would remain a boy forever. Barrie had a realisation much later: ‘When I became a man…he was still a boy of thirteen.’

4. Wired to Create by Scott Barry Kaufman ‘Offers a glimpse inside the “messy minds” of highly creative people. Revealing the latest findings in neuroscience and psychology, along with engaging examples of artists and innovators throughout history, the book shines a light on the practices and habits of mind that promote creative thinking.’

5. Molokai hot bread A secret delicacy on the tiny island of Molokai, Hawaii: Down a dingy alleyway at 10pm for freshly baked bread, served by an utterly terrifying man (as my childhood memory serves and to my cousins’ entertainment). A rival between cinnamon-sugar hot bread and strawberry-cream cheese hot bread.

6. Archimede ceramic shop in Ortygia, Sicily In a deceptive location (right by the cathedral and seemingly touristy), this shop has the most exquisite works of art: the traditional moor heads of Sicily with their own twist: 4x baked, pearlized, 24c gold snakes on variations of nontraditional Medusa and Poseidon.

Kathleen deLaski

Kathleen deLaski discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known.

Kathleen deLaski is an education and workforce designer, as well as a futurist. She founded the Education Design Lab in 2013 to help colleges begin the journey to reimagine higher education toward the future of work. Her non-profit has helped 1200 colleges, orgs and economic regions design shorter, more affordable pathways for learners to achieve their economic goals. She spends time as a senior advisor to the Project on Workforce at Harvard University and teaches human-centered design and higher ed reform as an adjunct professor in the Honors College at George Mason University. In a previous career, Kathleen spent twenty years as a TV and then a digital journalist, including time as ABC News White House correspondent. Followed by a political appointment as the first female Pentagon spokesperson. Her new book is Who Needs College Any More?

1. Only 38% of Americans have a 4 year college degree, yet American education and hiring system is really only set up to help this minority succeed.

2. The “College for all” movement of the last several decades is basically dead and that may not be a bad thing

3. White people, generally, are best positioned to skip the college degree.

4. A lot of the focus and debate is on elite colleges, which is odd, because they provide 2% of the college “seats” in America

5. We are in a period of the great skills shakeup in history, which has upended hiring and will continue to do so. 

6. Ai is both “the race track” for fixing or democratizing the hiring system, but also could be the nemesis for entry level workers.

Retrospective part two

Ivan selects five conversations from previous Better Known episodes, including discussions with Henry Hemming, Brooke Allen, Mark William Jones, AJ Jacobs and Meg Rosoff.

1. Eric Maschwitz https://spartacus-educational.com/SPYmaschwitz.htm

    2. The correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/livingrev/religion/text3/adamsjeffersoncor.pdf

    3. Rommel in 1942 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

    4. The World Jigsaw Championships https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cj9j24v7ejmo

    5. High Wind in Jamaica https://patricktreardon.com/book-review-a-high-wind-in-jamaica-or-the-innocent-voyage-by-richard-hughes/